Fifty Shades of Gender podcast graphic for Reflections (part 4) with Katy Jon Went & Esther Lemmens
This is the fourth Reflections conversation with Esther – you can find the first one (episode 25) here, the second one (episode 50) here, and the third one (episode 75) here.

Episode 100

Reflections (part 4)


1 hr 14 min. Recorded on 20 October 2023. 

In this fourth Reflections episode, Katy interviews Esther as she reflects on further conversations she’s had with gender-diverse folks, what she’s learned about gender, as well as her own journey and how she and the podcast have evolved over three years since the podcast started. We’ve surpassed 49,000 downloads now!

We also talk about the decision to take a break, trusting your intuition, intersectionality, internalised misogyny, using inclusive language, questioning everything, opening conversations rather than shutting them down, what allyship can look like, and reclaiming authenticity.

Registration for our allyship course is now open! Find out more on and join Esther on this journey of exploration, reflection, and awareness.

“I think the anger is misguided anger, like the hate towards other people…because what we’re angry with is the system; we’re angry with patriarchy and white supremacy. And it’s internalised as well. We get angry with ourselves.”

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