Fifty Shades of Gender podcast graphic with J Laurence Sarno

Episode 51

A conversation with J Laurence Sarno


1 hr 4 min. Recorded on 2 June 2021.

Laurence’s pronouns are he/him. He generally describes himself as a trans man, but his joke about labels is that he’s everything in LGBTQIA except the ‘L’ and the ‘A’. Find out what that means to Laurence in this episode.

We also talk about being perceived as you are, a very speedy transition journey, privilege, what we can learn from unconventional relationship styles, embracing who you are, unpacking judgements, and becoming your most authentic self.

“I’m not offended when I’m misgendered…but I find it hurts. It deflates me.”

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TRANSCRIPT [expand to read] – COMING SOON

About Laurence

“I was born in 1956 and I transitioned from female to male in 2017 at the age of 61. I was a professional entertainer until the age of 27, when I realised I had to get a real job. From then on, I was a high-tech journalist and editor, a public relations executive, and a marketing communications manager for corporations. I now run a marketing communications consultancy for small, founder-led businesses.

I was very privileged to transition through my US health care provider, Kaiser Permanente of Northern California, which offers the best holistic transgender health care in the world. I’m also deeply privileged in my colleagues, friends and family. Universally, when I announced my transition, the only response I received was “congratulations”.”

You can find Laurence on Twitter @LaurenceSarno. His podcast, Ask A Trans Man, will be launching soon.

What we discussed & useful links

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